Germania. I fideiussori dei migranti dovranno rimborsare lo stato.
Giuseppe Sandro Mela.
2017-12-17.
https://senzanubi.wordpress.com/2017/12 ... e-lo-stato
Mentre le femmine berlinesi erano tutte assorbite nelle dimostrazioni per le povere donne polacche che non sono assistite dalle pie opere caritative esercitate dalle ngo/ong
Berliners give pregnant Polish women the right to choose
una simpatica Corte di Giustizia Federale ha presentato ai tedeschi un conto di 48 miliardi di euro.
Adesso per un po’ di tempo avranno altro cui pensare.
Il termine fideiussore indica una persona, fisica o giuridica, che si assume l’obbligo di pagare un debito altrui a seguito di un contratto di fideiussione.
Se il concetto è semplice, ci pensano leggi e regolamenti a complicarle per benino.
«The cases are part of a series in Germany in which social welfare authorities are demanding money from guarantors even after the asylum seekers have been granted residency rights and refugee status»
«In fact, the situation — which potentially affects thousands of people who have made similar pledges — has arisen out of a legal misunderstanding and conflicting decisions by the German authorities at different levels of government.»
«German residency law states that should the purpose of a migrant’s residency change, a guarantor’s obligation to continue paying the living costs is nullified»
«In some legal interpretations, that would include when an asylum seeker is recognized as a refugee »
«Adding to the confusion, some state governments, including North Rhine-Westphalia, issued decrees stating that the obligation to pay would end when refugee status was recognized»
«The federal government, however, contradicted this»
«The residency law does set a time limit on how long the living costs have to be paid in any case — five years for all declarations made after August 6, 2016, three years for those made earlier»
«Legal advice centers would also say that the change in legal status should limit the payment obligation,” said Naujoks. “But of course it’s always connected with a certain risk»
L’Imperatore Adriano soleva dire che il modo più efficiente per non far rispettare le leggi è quello di farne troppe e troppo complesse.
Per farla in breve, i servizi sociali si assumevano l’onere di un migrante arrivato in Germania contro la garanzia data da un cittadino tedesco che avrebbe restituito lui la cifra al posto del migrante, se questi entro un certo quale lasso di tempo non ne avesse acquisito il diritto al godimento. Poi ci sono altre varianti, ma sono poco numerose.
Un buon numero di tedeschi, alcuni in buona fede, e molti in pessima fede, si erano fatti garanti nella presunzione che tutti i migranti sarebbero stati legalizzati in Germania.
Come tutte le illusioni utopiche, anche questa era destinata a svanire molto dolorosamente. È ben facile fare i grandiosi con il denaro altrui.
Al momento, sono diverse centinaia di migliaia i cittadini tedeschi chiamati al rimborso di cifre oscillanti attorno ai 30,000 euro, da versarsi cash.
«A administrative court in the central German city of Giessen on Tuesday heard the cases of three refugee helpers who signed declarations guaranteeing the living costs of Syrian refugees — estimated at around €700 ($825) per month per refugee for a maximum of three years»
«The cases are part of a series in Germany in which social welfare authorities are demanding money from guarantors even after the asylum seekers have been granted residency rights and refugee status»
«German refugee helpers who guaranteed the living costs of Syrian refugees are being forced to pay back costs by job centers»
Come costumanza quando la politica inquina la gestione della legalità, la situazione ha sollevato un terribile vespaio.
Però, alla fine dei sughi, restano i conti da pagare e qualcuno dovrà ben farlo. E non è cifra da poco.
1.6 million people seek humanitarian protection in Germany
Calcolando una media di 30,000 euro spesi per migrante, la cifra totale in contenzioso vale attorno ai 48 miliardi di euro.
E tutto questo accade proprio mentre in Germania non si riesce a fare uno straccetto di governo.
→ Deutsche Welle. 2017-12-13. Refugee helpers in Germany sued for helping refugees.
German refugee helpers who guaranteed the living costs of Syrian refugees are being forced to pay back costs by job centers. Refugee organizations say people are being punished for showing humanity.
A administrative court in the central German city of Giessen on Tuesday heard the cases of three refugee helpers who signed declarations guaranteeing the living costs of Syrian refugees — estimated at around €700 ($825) per month per refugee for a maximum of three years.
The cases are part of a series in Germany in which social welfare authorities are demanding money from guarantors even after the asylum seekers have been granted residency rights and refugee status.
In a ruling made last Friday, a court in Münster declared that William Eichouh would have to pay what he estimated at over €30,000 in back payments for unemployment benefits paid to two Syrians (his brother and sister-in-law) who had their asylum accepted within four months of their arrival.
The 46-year-old engineer, himself of Syrian origin, said the ruling left him “threatened with ruin.”
“I have a family, I have to pay a mortgage for a house,” he told the Bild newspaper. He insisted he had been assured that the obligation to pay would end when his relatives were recognized as refugees, but the judge told him he should have called the official who had told him this as a witness.
Legal confusion
In fact, the situation — which potentially affects thousands of people who have made similar pledges — has arisen out of a legal misunderstanding and conflicting decisions by the German authorities at different levels of government.
German residency law states that should the purpose of a migrant’s residency change, a guarantor’s obligation to continue paying the living costs is nullified. In some legal interpretations, that would include when an asylum seeker is recognized as a refugee — since they flee Syria because of war, but then are recognized as refugees because of the persecution they face at home.
That at least is the interpretation of Birgit Naujoks, head of the Refugee Council in North Rhine-Westphalia. “That’s what the guarantors were relying on,” she told DW. “It could be that a well-meaning official at the foreign nationals’ office told them, and then they would have researched it for themselves on the internet a bit.”
Federal intervention
Adding to the confusion, some state governments, including North Rhine-Westphalia, issued decrees stating that the obligation to pay would end when refugee status was recognized. The federal government, however, contradicted this, as a Labor Ministry spokesman confirmed to DW — before adding that the federal administrative court had supported its view in a ruling in January this year. The residency law does set a time limit on how long the living costs have to be paid in any case — five years for all declarations made after August 6, 2016, three years for those made earlier.
“Legal advice centers would also say that the change in legal status should limit the payment obligation,” said Naujoks. “But of course it’s always connected with a certain risk.”
In the meantime, and independent of the current situation, some states have called on the federal government to make a ruling that would help people who had been caught out in the misunderstanding. “But nothing much has really happened yet,” said Naujoks. “If they took it seriously, the states could regulate their own solutions. I think that it would make sense for it to be solved on a federal level – because it can be really expensive for people.”
“In many cases, the new arrivals would live with their families and eat with them while their asylum procedure was being processed, so that they wouldn’t claim any public costs,” she added. “But after that it would of course get much more expensive for their guarantors.”
Gino Quarelo
Così bisognerebbe fare anche in Italia e con la Chiesa Cattolica e il suo capo Bergoglio che per me è peggio del demonio.
Bergoglio pensa a fare miracoli e non ha derubare attraverso lo stato e la religione l'uomo di buona volontà che tanto lavora, sacrifica e s'impegna per la sua famiglia e la sua gente.
Se non sei capace di fare miracoli, stai zitto e trovati un lavoro come è per tutti gli uomini di buona volontà e per tutte le creature. Sopratutto rispetta i X comandamenti e in particolare il VII: non rubare.